Author Interview – Patty Blue Hayes

How did publishing your first book change your process of writing?

When I wrote my first book I wasn’t aware of these magical beings known as developmental editors. I thought I’d find an editor to correct grammar and make note of things I might have repeated, were too confusing or could be worded differently. Each time I sat down to edit I always started at page one. So pages one through fifty were extremely over-edited and the last ten pages were pretty neglected. It wasn’t until I found my editor, Chelsea, that I realized what a gift her work was to my book. My first book was a published journal. And was a very personal story. I had no idea if my experience had a traditional story arc or theme or even what was necessary to keep in the manuscript or delete. Working with my editor taught me that it’s essential to work with a developmental editor before I begin my editing and polishing process.

For my upcoming book I have rough journal entries and will craft the book after my collaboration with an editor. I also learned not to make every word dramatic and perfect. A published journal should read realistically, more conversational in nature and not overly precise or extravagant.

How many unpublished and half-finished books do you have?

Currently I’m working on the journal-book from three international volunteer trips I completed in 2017. I have one spiritual/healing book outlined and have post-its covering my office door. A cook book is only meagerly in the works on paper but very clear in my mind thematically and a 10,000 word eBook on preparing for travel to Thailand is more than half finished.

Do you view writing as a kind of spiritual practice? Why or why not?

Absolutely, yes. Writing is not an option for me. I believe I’ve finally come to realize it is what I am meant to do. If I don’t write, I become moody, anxious and stressed. I was eleven years-old when I stated I wanted to write a book. And specifically, I wanted to write one that would help adults. But at eleven, that seemed a bit unrealistic. I started writing in a journal in high school and went on to write in college but never saw it as something I could really do as an avocation.

After my mother died I wrote my first screenplay. I wrote another screenplay, because that’s what you do the minute you finish the first one. I got very discouraged after my agent disappeared. It had taken me a long time to even get an agent. So I stopped writing but always had the longing. It wasn’t until the day I was flying back home alone after my husband told me he didn’t want to be married to me anymore that a definitive thought came to me, pick up a pen, this is your first book. And that book is helping adults.

For me, writing is as essential as breathing. And I believe it is what I’m here to do. Not paint, not cook, not play an instrument. By writing, I’m honoring the most authentic part of myself and allowing my soul to express itself.

How many hours a day do you write?

I don’t write daily. In the process of the current book, I wrote journal entries almost daily but I wasn’t putting myself on a schedule to write every day. As I approach the re-writing and editing process I may spend four to six hours at a time engaged in the work, but that won’t likely be daily. I’ve also found it essential for me to take breaks from writing. My writing process is organic. Maybe I could produce more if I scheduled time every day, but I don’t think the writing would flow.

What are your favorite literary journals?

I don’t actually read any literary journals.

What is the most difficult part of your creative process?

I’d say the most challenging part on this current book will be to decide what to omit. And that’s why working with an editor I trust will be so valuable.When you write something so personal, it can be a challenge to distance ourselves from the experience. I used to have a hard time editing, but now I settle in my writing chair with tea, light some incense, and I offer up a little prayer for guidance and then I trust in that process. I may go back and edit like that several times, and each time I’m trusting the process and asking the ego to step aside.

Do you believe in writer’s block? Why or why not?

I believe people experience writer’s block. If I wrote fiction I know I’d have writer’s block. That genre seems so foreign to me. I wouldn’t know where to begin! I haven’t experienced writer’s block but that may be due to my loose schedule and not putting pressure on myself to produce.

How long on average does it take you to write a book?

This varies greatly. My first book sat for a few years before I could even start re-writing and editing due to the emotionally triggering content. I was still going through the healing process and sometimes reading my words was too overwhelming and not good for my mental health. That book began in 2010 and was published in 2015. My current journal book started in 2017 and I’d like to publish by 2019.

What other authors are you friends with, and how do they help you become a better writer?

I’m in a local writer’s group here on the Central Coast in California. Because writing is a solitary process, I enjoy meeting up with them. I learn a lot from our meetings and it’s encouraging to hear people’s good news about getting published, completing a project, winning an award or getting a book deal. I have a confession. Because I write in the journal/memoir genre, I can’t read other authors in the genre too close to when I’m going to be writing and editing. I need to keep myself clear from developing comparison-itits. I mostly read self-help, spiritual and personal development books.

What are the most important magazines for writers to subscribe to?

That’s a great question! I can’t wait to read other writer’s answers. I’m currently in a cycle where I’m not watching or reading any content on marketing, blogging or anything to do with the business of writing. In the past I’ve overdone it on watching videos and webinars, most of which are sales tools designed to have you purchase a more expensive product or service. It was getting to be more of a cause of stress than a benefit.


Works by Patty Blue Hayes

My Heart is Broken, Now What?

Patty Blue Hayes is grateful to have survived her near death divorce, an event that launched her into the darkest depths of depression. Patty’s award-winning book, Wine, Sex and Suicide – My Near Death Divorce, shares her story of loss, vulnerability, and eventual reawakening to her own value and worth. She moved from pain to finding purpose. Through her story she helps people not feel alone in their own painful life experiences.

Patty founded Soul Garden Healing®, to help women get through their journey of heartbreak with her signature audio program, You Can Heal Your Heartbreak™.The program is based on her book, My Heart is Broken. Now What?, offering 12 helpful practices in an easy guidebook.

She is working on another life experience book, chronicling time in Thailand at an elephant sanctuary, the Dominican Republic, where she worked at a boys and girls club, and her return to the small Romanian village of Baile Tusnad to complete her English teaching practicum to children in a group home. Follow her journey on her blog.

Learn more about Patty at her website: www.pattybluehayes.com

 

Author Interview – Ava Collopy

How did publishing your first book change your process of writing?

It began to change my process when I was editing the book. At the time I didn’t have the money to hire a professional editor so I asked some acquaintances from writing workshops if they wouldn’t mind reading even the first chapter just so I get some feedback on it.

People were quite generous with their time, which I very much appreciated. It was through this process that I of course had to start thinking more about the process of communication, of how you convey a whole entire world that’s in your mind into someone else’s mind so that when they read your words they are picturing a whole world too. It may be somewhat different from how you imagine it but it still gives them a complete—not just picture, but experience.

When people came back to me and felt something for my protagonist, Sean Flanagan, and wanted to read to the end to see what happened to him, it was very gratifying.

By the time I was publishing 8 Days a Week I felt very thankful for the help I’d gotten.

The process of publishing made the audience much more real to me and me try to keep checking myself every so often when I write to make sure I’m still writing in a way that will be invite an audience in and not confuse anyone too much.

How many unpublished and half-finished books do you have?

For years I had many pieces of this and that; poetry, a few old songs from my teens, old characters I came up with before I had the skills to write for them, a few opinionated essays, mostly related to classism and sexism: the two main things that defined and ravaged my life for many years. I assume this is typical for all writers. We’re pack rats surrounded by scraps of our ideas from over the years.

In more recent years I worked very hard editing, revising, and rewriting everything I had, and ultimately throwing out what I had that wasn’t good enough. So at the moment I don’t have any extras lying around. I have just an idea for two other books, but I think they’re far off into the future. I have to take time for my master’s degree and my career at the moment.

Do you view writing as a kind of spiritual practice? Why or why not?

I think writing can be spiritual depending on the writer or the type of writing. Sometimes writing is more an act of storytelling, or an analytical exercise in truth-telling and making good arguments, and doing point-counterpoint. I’ve always seen poetry as more right-brain and emotional, and even more spiritual, and prose as far more left-brain. Sometimes when you’re writing you can feel like you’ve tapped into an incredible energy that may even go beyond yourself… but that could just be the endorphins, dopamine, or whatever else the act of creating art stimulates in artists. (Or both.)

How many hours a day do you write?

At the moment I can’t write much with work. But there have been times I was writing all day, every day. I literally wrote the first draft of 8 Days a Week in under two weeks, writing almost non-stop all day, every day, by hand. I’d have to put ice packs on my hand, wrist, arm, and shoulder at night to get the swelling to go down. But after a decent waiting period the dam broke and the story just flowed. The editing process took months, of course, but the first draft just kept coming.

What are your favorite literary journals?

I don’t have consistent favorites. I like to move around a lot so I get a very good mix of different genres, styles, and writers. When I want a new mix I go onto Poets & Writers online and look through their market listings, filtered by whatever criteria I’m in the mood for at the time. Then I find often obscure publications, usually online so I can easily access them.

What is the most difficult part of your creative process?

I suppose simply that when I’m really deep into one of my books I can’t really do anything else. I remember when I was getting ready to write Live Boldly, Fear Nothing I was going to an Irish dance class for a two or three weeks and I had to stop because I couldn’t concentrate. My head was just in Darian’s world, or thinking about Jenna’s storyline in it and what I wanted to say about (and say to) young women in her position, from her kind of background.

Art is a great gift and so is creating it, but it can also be incredibly draining and there are times when life just has to be put on hold for a while and that can be very hard. A few years ago I had a housemate who thought it was insane that I once went a few years without so much as going on one date. She couldn’t fathom it. I just said, I was busy learning how to write, edit, and publish books. I had no time for a personal life. It was worth it, but that was still an incredible sacrifice.

Do you believe in writer’s block? Why or why not?

I’m aware of it. I think it probably happens to all artists, it’s just more obvious with writers. For example, just think about all the singer-songwriters and bands who’ve had maybe two or three really good albums and then just had pretty bland albums. They can still play instruments and sing but that real, true spark of inspiration is gone. Once in a while they may still make a real gem but for the most part, their work isn’t very good anymore. If you do other forms of art you can still go through the motions but that’s a lot harder with writing.

I think the answer to this problem is to think about sources of inspiration. For the aforementioned musicians the answer is probably to leave their new mansions and go back out into the world. There they’ll find inspiration. The same is true for writers. If you’re blocked then go travel somewhere new, or go volunteer at a soup kitchen. Do something that will inspire you. Sitting at your desk (or wherever) staring at the problem won’t help.

How long on average does it take you to write a book?

I couldn’t really say, especially since with 8 Days a Week in particular the editing process was so long, and although I didn’t make any changes to the plot or the characters, how I presented the last two chapters—especially the very last one—changed a great deal through the editing process.

I think the important thing is to write until it seems finished and let the work itself guide you rather than trying to make a schedule for it. Real art doesn’t work on a schedule.

What other authors are you friends with, and how do they help you become a better writer?

One of my best author friends has been Jennifer Fulford, although we grew apart after I moved to Ireland (she’s still in the U.S.) When I met her she’d written a new book about one of the three musketeers and a collection of poetry. I met her at a Unitarian Universalist church and we got along immediately and shortly thereafter were sharing some of our work at a poetry and writing group at the church.

I went to a free workshop she did about how to use Weebly and other sites to make your own website. She not only showed us how to use the sites but how to have fun with them and make the act of building a website not strictly mechanical but an act of creativity in itself.

Shortly thereafter I tried making websites and blogs as a new form of self-expression. This was also very helpful for promoting my work since my novels were too important to me to risk having to change the endings, the stories, or otherwise compromise the works like I knew I might have to if I got a traditional publisher. She said she found it inspiring how I would just go for it like that. Meanwhile, she got published—her musketeers book through a traditional publisher and her short collection of poetry through self-publishing. She said I helped inspire her to have the confidence to publish her own poetry book. I felt very heartened by that. One of my favorite things in life is to help bring out the best in others.

She was quite supportive of me in my writing endeavors and as a friend even though she’s happily a mom and I’m happily childless. In my experience, many women writers basically shun you if you’re a woman who’s happily childless. I had a lot of my work rejected by female editors until I learned to keep my mouth shut about being a happily independent woman when submitting to most female editors. I genuinely don’t understand this kind of behavior; I think it’s best when we all support each other. I assume this means those women are secretly very unhappy with the choices they’ve made in life.

Other writers I’ve known through workshops were helpful in the usual ways writers at workshops are, namely with critical feedback but also encouragement.

However, one writer I thought was my friend did the exact opposite but still had a very positive effect on me.

This was during the editing of 8 Days a Week. Like I said before, I was glad when anyone was nice enough to make the time to look at my little project. So imagine how good I felt when this woman friend insisted that we meet in a café so she could talk to me at length about my book project! Me of all people—someone from a working class background who back then didn’t have a college degree, unlike all the other women in the workshops.

When I got there she was very nice at first, then very quickly started picking the entire project apart. At first I just took it in stride and thought, this is just good practice for in the future when anyone asks me about my projects.

I’d already had years of experience submitting my work for publication to various places so—as any writer knows—that means experience getting your work rejected 99% or more of the time, and sometimes by editors who feel the need to go out of their way to tell you they think your work is garbage and that you’re guilty of an actual crime by making them waste their precious time reading your drivel. So I was quite able to be thick-skinned about critical feedback and to consider any good points.

But I quickly found that when I went to explain my artistic choice she wasn’t listening to me. In fact she was going out of her way to insult, belittle, and pick apart every last thing about my book. And she’d only read the first chapter. For example, one of her complaints was that it was slow. I said that was an artistic choice to show what Sean’s life was like, and to build to a shocking climax much later in the book. Of course she insisted no one would read my terrible, slow, boring book idea long enough to find that out. She also complained that the book was about a working class person and his life and said, why would anyone want to read about that?

Her seeming plan to obliterate my confidence had the opposite effect and made me want to succeed even more. And it just brought home to me how much women need to encourage each other more.

Shortly after that it seemed to me like all the women I’d known from that writers’ group stopped wanting to have anything to do with me. It only occurred to me much later that they may have resented me because I didn’t come from any money or education but still pursued writing. I can look at this logically and see the mechanism of it now but I still don’t really understand it. This is because I always believe that everyone should generally support and encourage each other. I think maybe they just wanted their workshops and to be left alone. There’s nothing wrong with that. But for me it wasn’t just a hobby; it was actually the only thing giving me hope that I could ever get out of poverty.

What are the most important magazines for writers to subscribe to?

I think Poets & Writers is a great resource. They have a great deal of advice about the literary industry as well as varied markets to read and/or submit your work to.

But to be perfectly honest, my opinion of most writers’ magazines is that they’re for people playing at writing. If you want to write I think you should go out and experience life so you have something to write about. I’ve read many stories, essays, and poems in various publications that were linguistically well-composed and grammatically accurate but actually weren’t about anything. I remember one story that was very long, very well-thought of my the publication’s editor, and was ultimately just about a couple ordering soup at one restaurant and another one several years later. In the first instance it was too salty and in the second they thought they had the same waiter, even though it was a different restaurant. When I finished it I just wanted the last 25 to 30 minutes of my life back. More than asking yourself if you can write something and write it well, and more than editors than asking if they can publish it, I think people in the literary community should look at if a work is actually saying anything.

This is why when I read anything, I tend to look for online zines that are well off the mainstream. That way I can find things that will give me a new experience which no other writer (or editor) has given me before.

In my extended family there is one set of twins who love everything to do with writing and storytelling. They subscribe to all of the local literary magazines, watch soap operas all day every day (to study long-term stories), and read books voraciously. Sadly they almost never leave the house. Last Christmas I gave them two books. Angela’s Ashes (an obvious choice for a couple of Irish aspiring writers) and Never Broken, the singer Jewel’s last book. Jewel isn’t an expert writer but if it’s one thing you’ll learn from reading her book it’s that more than anything, if you want to write, you need to just go out into the world and experience life.

I don’t care if her grammar was perfect or not. What I experienced was a vast range of completely unique stories, so bizarre but so true to life she couldn’t have possibly made them up. It genuinely was stranger than fiction.

If you want to create something truly unique than you need to just go live. But then maybe read a little Poets & Writers or some of the articles in Writer’s Market about the industry so you can try to develop a thick skin before you submit any of your work. Artists can sometimes take rejection too personally and have you learn to just move on instead.

 


Works by Ava Collopy

A View from the Bottom: Short Stories
8 Days a Week: the Story of a Working Man, a novel
The Price of Peace: the Rise of Truthology and the Alliance, a novelette
Live Boldly, Fear Nothing: a Vigilante and a Painter, a novel

Ava Collopy is published in White Liquor Steemit, Beautiful Losers, White Liquor, and others. She’s from Portland, Oregon and lives in Dublin, Ireland.

Learn more about Ava please visit her website.